I played recently this game (G/15) on FICS, had a good attack after sacrificing a bishop, but din’t find the winning move. Can you see it? White to move:
Just in case, the solution is in the comment.
March 30, 2009
March 30, 2009
I played recently this game (G/15) on FICS, had a good attack after sacrificing a bishop, but din’t find the winning move. Can you see it? White to move:
Just in case, the solution is in the comment.
March 30, 2009 at 7:30 pm
19. Nf4 Qg7 20. Ng6+ Qxg6 21. Bxg6+ Kg8 22. Qh7# or
19. … Ne5 20. Nxe5 Qxh7 21. Nfg6+ Kg8 22. Qxf8#
March 31, 2009 at 12:17 am
no, posted same combo before though on my own blog, looked for getting to g6 but missed nf4.
I saw a perpetual NxB RxN Bg6+ Kg8 Ng5 Qg7 Qh5 and Bh7+ can’t be stopped.
March 31, 2009 at 12:31 am
no, drops bishop on g6; and Bh7+ Kf8 also ends the checks, just visualizing it.
March 31, 2009 at 12:56 am
linuxguy – when did you post it? I played my game on March 28, White, ECO – C05, you can find it on http://www.ficsgames.com, you know my handle.
March 31, 2009 at 1:35 am
The beauty of this position is that black can’t play Qxh7 because Rf8 isn’t defended so 1. Nf4 Qxh7 2. Ng6+ Kg8 3. Qxf8 checkmate.
March 31, 2009 at 9:39 am
perhaps i never posted it, but i only found it w/craftys analysis. if you can find nf4, its obvious win on the face of it.
March 31, 2009 at 9:53 am
sometimes takes me longer to _find_ a move.
Bd3+ then Rae1 looks winning also, his king is in bad shape, not like the knockout or nothing, but chess puzzles are often like that, more than one winning move.
March 31, 2009 at 10:14 am
chesstiger – yeah, it’s a nice line.
linuxguy – I found it with Crafty too when ran the game through it, you can imagine my disappointment. Still I think it was valuable lesson, much more useful game than others I won on that day. The lesson is that having such position OTB you must understand that there is 99% probability of winning combination and you have to find it.
March 31, 2009 at 11:41 am
i would find it at real tournament, easy, plenty of time. Not even a question, really.
Also, Bg6+ Kg8 NxB RxN Nh4 Qg7 (else Ng6) Bh7+ QxB QxR Bd7 (to defend f8) Rad1 Qg7 QxQ KxQ Nf3 looks even
March 31, 2009 at 11:42 am
visualizing all that.
March 31, 2009 at 11:46 am
Tournament is different, you don’t want your whole day wasted. At home, who really cares, I usually find them easy anyhow. On 15 0, you are going to miss some moves no matter what.
Openings are more a problem than find the winner, at a tournament.
March 31, 2009 at 12:41 pm
linuxguy – I am not sure about your last phrase. I am starting to think I am obsessed with the openings lately, forgetting about other components. But that’s the way how I learn chess, I find something interesting like rook endings or French defense and jump on it, then I find something else. At the last big tournament I got advantage and won in one game due to the opening and lost another one for the same reason. In the 3rd game I missed a winner move (drew) and in the 4th missed his winner move. I was OK in the opening in both, playing against new for me stuff – Pirc and Center game. So, opening vs. move – 50/50 in under 2000 section. In the local tourney, end of the year, I won one in “my” opening, I was OK in 3 new openings, missed win in all 3 and got 3 draws, makes it 25/75. The average rating, though, was essentially lower that in that big tourney. So, looks like the role of the opening increases with the rating. It brings me back to openings and your phrase
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March 31, 2009 at 9:08 pm
RP – I have this philosphy that its easier to screw up in the opening because that is the deepest part of the game.
It’s mostly not about getting an advantage, but about safety. If I can get out of the opening alive, I can jump on just about anybody’s game using analysis, but there are too many pieces in the opening, and one wrong move can lead to a more certain fate if the other plays consequently. It’s important not to be too aggressive in the opening because one backfire can seemingly lead to an explosion of pieces and pawns coming and and no time, lost time to react.
It’s not about studying opening books as they can lead astray, and often do. It’s about making sure there are no holes in your own moves/plan.
The rest of the game, for me, is more about physical fitness and long time controls, and even knowing the other persons time-control habits.
From a practical point of view, most high-level players are more concerned with imposing their style in the opening, it seems to me. So openings are not practical in terms of the result, but you never know all those games you would have lost had you been ignorant of the dangers and plans.
First, survive the opening, then impose your game/style. THE most important thing is to calculate cooly and accurately (save bullets for later when warranted), but also “catch” your opponents mistakes by breaking down positions more accurately in analysis. That’s how I see it. Fitness helps with calculation.
March 31, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Also, and contradictory-sounding, I try to use my opponents style and beliefs against them, and try to refrain from playing my own biases unless justified. That’s what has lead to my recent wins, psychology and calculation.
If one of a certain set of brothers I am playing, if they sacrifice something, I am going to verify because I know they make exotic sacs which frequently have a hole. Most of the time this leads to good results for them because the other person doesn’t verify but just sits back and takes it. Consquently, I am okay with letting them be the one doing the sacking of pieces.
My psychology worked in my loss, but I was tired from the first game and no break, and lost the will to execute.
April 1, 2009 at 10:37 am
linuxguy – I tend to agree with you that opening play is “mostly not about getting an advantage, but about safety”, at least when it is related to the openings you don’t know well. For example, in a couple of OTB games in a new openings I choose to play O-O-O because it looked like getting me out of being under quick attack of pawn majority. They moved then O-O-O too, as I expected. Then later I intercepted the initiative and had winning chances in both games. Another game, correspondence, Falkbeer counter-gambit, I am Black, played only a few blitz games before, got pretty good position (following the book), one non-cautious move before finishing development – that’s it, complete zugzwang in a few moves, gave up 2 pawns just to get out of it, now it looks like completely lost endgame.
April 1, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Nice post shame you found the winning move later,what did you play instead?
April 1, 2009 at 12:33 pm
chessx – it was G/15, so I think that played a role, the move is not obvious, requires thinking. I played Bg6+, it didn’t give me anything.
April 1, 2009 at 3:05 pm
RP- my last game on fics I got slaughtered after blundering in my Scotch. Interesting, I asked to abort on move 2, wasn’t into it really, but I thought “If they castle, then play Qg6, my variation was just a cheap trick, which is what happened.
I should have played exd instead of f4, when Nxd Bf2 and Black is now White.
c3 is a non-consequential move, so I will dump it in favor of Nb3, after …Bc5. I could also play Kh1 instead of f3, to avoid Bh3, but that also gives black a tempo to work with, sorta dumb variation.
April 1, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Perhaps Re1 Bh3 g3, but then Ng4 or Bg4, whole variation seems dumb. I always suspected c3 was a critical waste of time.